Liet Traep
Minmatar
Black Lance
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.11.08 07:21:00 -
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Edited by: Liet Traep on 08/11/2006 07:21:47
Long, rambling post from an addled ex-XFer. Couple things. I think this is a really good thread. I really appreciate KSUDruid's posts. I don't agree with everything he said. I personally hold higher opinions of SJ Talsar and Olyyy having been in Syncore with them and seeing how much work they put in. Talsar was a schemer though. That was his job. :)
But KSUDruid makes several very good points. For a long time I thought ASCN was Xetic all over again. Just with a lot of the best pvpers and commanders fromt he xetic days gone. Some moved north with NBSI corps. other corps such as Pilots of Honour and Wildcats 2063 went off to find their own paths. And since then ASCN has lost a lot of the pvpers they had. ASCN I never considered a great pvp power.
ASCN is reminding me more and more of Xetic in it's last days. However then Xetic had been under a much more severe attack. Having survived a series of empire wars. Xetic at one point had 11 or so empire wars at once and then fought .5, RA and MASS and their coalition all at once. Xetic lost that war but I don't think ASCN will suffer the same fate at least not yet.
Another point is McReedy. I never met the man or had any dealings with him but EDF is riddled with spies. It's an open secret that the best way into ASCN is into that corp. If I used spy alts I'd put one there myself. MCReedy is one of the 2 ASCN corp leaders i hear the most complaints about. The other recently got evicted from their HC.
And Druid as for your questions about how things went bad between ASCN and the NBSI corps, why things got so personal. it goes back to the way ASCN was formed. It just didn't sit right with some people. Xetic was in deep, deep trouble. Druid, you're definitely not overstating those facts. And ASCN had to sacrifice some people, had to make some hard and nasty decisions, had to hurt some feelings. That was forgiveable. What was not was the way ASCN broke the news or importantly didn't and let the xetic players find out that their leaders were bailing on them from their enemies. What felt wrong was ghe speed whcih ASCN napped the .5 and how dismissive they were to their ex-xetic brethren. Like cutting off their access to the stations they had stuff in within 1 week during he middle of a war. I definitely felt like the remaining xetic were treated like poor and unwanted relations. The ASCN corps went from fighting the .5 tooth and nail in xetic to becoming arguably their lapdogs. And it didn't feel right. The decisions ASCN had to make are understandable. But acting like ASCN did not in anyway ill treat their former comrades and acting as if ASCN never did anything wrong in those dark days seemed wrong and hypocritical to me. Others just wanted to shoot somebody and ASCN just made relatively easy targets.
I'm personally proud of fighting for xetic in those days. I completely sucked but I did get experience against .5, Foe, RA, the Stainers. I got blooded against some of the best pvpers in Eve. And then as part of NBSI we kept up the good fight for as long as we could. For all of XF's faults a lot of good came out of I think. I hope this thread reminds ASCN and help teach the newer members a bit about what missteps to avoid. ASCN has done great things in Eve and could become greater still as long as it remembers the lessons of the past.
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